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    Truth, Fantasy, Plato and Homer

    Saturday, September 8, 2007, 11:59 PM EST [Philosophy]

    When people today think of Greek philosophy, most think of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Yet when ancient Athenians educated their children, they'd teach them Homer's Illiad and Odyssey. These were the national poems of the culture, and were not only used for education, but also for divination and protection (a spell in the PGM entails writing a certain verse on a tiny scroll and concealing it in an amulet).

    These philosophers, however, may not have agreed with that. Plato's Republic describes his version of an ideal city in which children are raised to be ideal citizens and philosopher-kings. In this "ideal city," however, he bans poetry because, in his view, poets have the power to distort reality with their words.

    Would Plato have banned the Illiad and Odyssey, two epics so important to the Athenian culture? Hard to say, but one thing that's clear is that Homer and Plato had some pretty different ideas about what the Gods were like. Plato also goes further and articulates what he believes to be a "quarrel between poetry and philosophy," which is a much wider disagreement than whether the Gods have feelings or not. His argument cuts to the heart of how people determine truth. In a nutshell, he believes that only philosophy in all its rigor can deliver Truth with a capital T, and poetry such as Homer writes are dangerous fantasies that are too often mistaken for truth.

    Oh, dear. That's a heavy charge, and one worth considering. If Plato were to come to a modern Pagan circle and listen to our modern, poetic invocations and stories of the Gods, would he scoff? Would he accuse modern Pagans of believing too much in fantasy?

     

    In Homer's defense, though, Sannion made a blog post a few weeks ago in which he provided samples of helpful teaching quotes from these great epics.

     

    What do you think? Have you read the Illiad, the Odyssey, or another Pagan epic? Can poetry such as this be trusted to contain truth?

     

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    Marcus Aurelius, 5:9

    Thursday, August 30, 2007, 11:34 PM EST [Philosophy]

    I'm starting this series on the ancient philosophers with the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius. This philosopher-emperor was one of the most important Stoic philosophers, and his book of Meditations is relevant and well-regarded today.

    The Stoics agreed with Aristotle that the goal of human life was to be happy. Unlike some other philosophers, they believed that the greatest happiness could be found in possessing human virtue. It didn't matter what happened to you, in their view, you could still be happy simply by having the virtuous qualities of self-control, wisdom, courage, justice, and so on. They thought things like wealth, health, and prestige, though nice, weren't necessary to achieve the finest human goal in life.

    What do you think about this? Is it possible to live a happy life simply by possessing virtue? Is it possible to be happy without health or wealth?

     

    Here is one of my favorite quotes from this Stoic Emperor, Marcus Aurelius. It's found in Book 5, meditation 9.

    Do not be disgusted, nor discouraged, nor dissatisfied, if you do not succeed in doing everything according to right principles; but when you have failed, return back again, and be content if the greater part of what you do is consistent with human nature, and love that to which you return.
    And do not return to philosophy as if she were a master, but act like those who have sore eyes and apply a bit of sponge and egg, or as another applies a plaster, or drenching with water. For thus you will not fail to obey reason, and you will repose in it.
    And remember that philosophy requires only the things which human nature requires; but you would have something else which is not according to nature. -- It may be objected, Why what is more agreeable than this which I am doing?-- But is not this the very reason why pleasure deceives us?
    And consider if magnanimity, freedom, simplicity, equanimity, piety, are not more agreeable. For what is more agreeable than wisdom itself, when you think of the security and the happy course of all things which depend on the faculty of understanding and knowledge?

     

     

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    Pagan Ethics: Beyond Harm None

    Thursday, August 23, 2007, 11:04 PM EST [Philosophy]

    Since coming home to hellenic paganism, I have really come to appreciate the wisdom of the ancients. Both the poets and the philosophers have inspired me to live virtuously, use my brain, and to have courage in adversity. Their words have helped me greatly in the development of my own Pagan ethics.

    When first entering the Craft, I loved the freedom and sensible guideline of the Rede. An it harm none, do what thou wilt. Of course! It made so much sense. Just don't hurt anybody and follow your bliss. I had entered Wicca after leaving Christianity several months before, and the simplicity of "harm none" was refreshing.

    What's more is that the Rede also helped me to break away from some self-destructive tendencies once I realized that it also applied to how I treated myself. That was an important realization.

    However, I think that the Rede best functions as a jumping off point for thinking about ethics beyond "harm none." After all, who defines what "harm" is? If you tell a white lie when your friend asks you if you like her new clothes, is that harm? Who or what are included in those things of which none should be harmed? Only people? Animals? Plants? Ecosystems? Rocks?

    There are times, too, when some people who start thinking deeply about the implications of the Rede end up rejecting it in some way, because in the strictest sense, it is not possible to continue living without bringing harm to some things. After all, even if someone lives alone in a cave, he or she must still eat to survive, and even vegetarians must kill plants to do so. Life feeds on life, and although the web of life is interdependent, resources are not unlimited, so one individual or species doing well can often mean another one won't. From this perspective it is simply not possible to truly "harm none."

    Ancient philosophical writings, like the Rede, also make good jumping off points. The maxims inscribed in Apollo's Temple at Delphi contain some truly helpful precepts. They also contain a few outdated ideas, such as "Rule your wife". Drew Campbell has a nice essay about some aspects of Hellenic ethics which mention several of the most respected maxims here.

    The ancient Greek poets and philosophers provide much food for thought as well. In the coming weeks I hope to illustrate some of these.

     

    (Comments are welcome.) 

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    Where to find philosophical defenses of Polytheism

    Saturday, August 18, 2007, 01:05 AM EST [Philosophy]

    I saw Questa's comment on Taliesin's blog about believing in Gods and thought it might be helpful to post some references here for people who are interested in this topic.

    Not that anybody "should" or "shouldn't" believe in many Gods vs. one God/dess of many aspects. Nevertheless, there are a number of books around that do provide an intellectual introduction to and defense of Polytheism. An oldie but goodie is simply The New Polytheism by David Miller, which you can get through an "InterLibrary Loan" at any US public library (you have to ask for it specifically). A couple other recent books are: A World Full of Gods by John Michael Greer, or The Deities are Many by Jordan Paper, both of which can be purchased online if you can't find them locally.

    I've also seen a few websites around, one of the most interesting being a Hindu defense of Polytheism that I can no longer find. Oh well. There is this, however:
    http://www.hermetic.com/webster/polytheism.html


    Also, since many of us came from a Christian background, you might be interested to know that the Bible itself mentions other Gods. There are some examples here:
    http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/bible2.htm
    but the example I like most is Exodus 12:12, where Yahweh says he will "bring judgment upon all the Gods of Egypt." So, let me ask you, if the Gods of Egypt didn't actually exist, how could YHWH bring judgment upon them?

    See, the ancient Jews were actually "henotheists," not "monotheists." They believed there were many Gods, but that one God, YHWH, had called them apart from all the other peoples of the earth to be his people, and he alone was to be their God. Other peoples, on the other hand, had other Gods. There's a nice discussion of this here:

    http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1835144&displaytype=printable

    as well as a humorous Pagan example here:

    http://www.caw.org/articles/otherpeople.html



    Enjoy!

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    Welcome!

    Friday, August 10, 2007, 06:01 PM EST [General]

    Just the basics now.  More later.
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